[FT] Address by Irish Quaker Missionary Physician

johnredman at bikerider.com johnredman at bikerider.com
Tue Oct 27 20:49:10 PDT 2009

Anabaptists, again in a 'good' light. Sigh. I think that the tremendous over reaction to George Fox and the early Quakers might be considered in light to the real trouble that the Anabaptists and other maniacs caused in the living memory of the elite of England. The fact that Quakers were involved in civil disobedience might have been lost on those frightened by the contemporary Winstanley's Diggers. Please read the Rothbard essay (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard206.html). He did his homework. It is a good argument against the assumption of ANY power over another living creature.

John Boanerges Redman

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From: Julia <jewen at micronetsystems.net>
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Hmmm...I suppose it is not a coincidence then that the way all life comes into existence and continues so is by DIVIDING on a cellular level! When our cells slow down and then stop doing that, our entire organizism goes to heck, or at least into the earth. Food for thought, before we all become, as we all eventually do, food for the worms! Perhaps the divisions occur precisely because the Lord is a Living God, who cannot be put into a box and kept there. Every time the People of God  (in the Bible) thought that they had succeeded in doing that--locking God up in the Ark  in the Tabernacle or in the Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem, a prophetic voice cam along to break the Divine Captive out of his own Sacred Prison. 

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From: William F Rushby 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:44 PM
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I hope that the list will not go to sleep again, now that Joe and Larry have declared some kind of truce(?)!

My wife and I have lots of experience with Mennonite and Old Order Brethren churches.  Their role in religious ferment marks them as worthy descendants of the 16th Century Anabaptists, who helped to break up "Christendom".

It seems that, the more Anabaptist groups split, the more the overall movement appears to grow in numbers.  Friends, in contrast, seem to regard splitting as akin to the sky falling, and often stick together on the organization level while concealing vast differences in outlook.  The reaction to the "realignment" controversy illustrates the Quaker reluctance to admit genuine differences AND to resolve them by forming more cohesive groups.  Friends do not often split, but they show a marked tendency to shrink in numbers, in the US and Britain at least.

I regard pluralism among Quaker groups and friendly "competition" as an important ingredient in a healthy growth in numbers and commitment.  I would expect that the success for EFI groups in Ireland would actually be good for Ireland Yearly Meeting, in quickening its sense of mission and in sharpening its spiritual witness.

What do you think?

Bill Rushby

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